"These people have names and addresses," Heimbach told Newsy, referring to corporate executives and "global elites" whom he blames for economic and environmental problems. They know that there is a reason why this is called class war … Any violence, which the proletariat uses, serves only for self-defense.
Heimbach told reporter Mark Greenblatt that he intends to revive TWP as soon as this weekend, and said it was a "nationalist Bolshevik" group allegedly "inspired by Marxism and China and targeting global elites".
Heimbach made it clear that he fundamentally advocates political violence against “global elites”, even if he does not directly support the assassination. An exchange that Heimbach had with Greenblatt made this clear:
Heimbach: George W. Bush should be brought to justice. Barack Obama should be brought to justice. Donald Trump should be brought to justice. Joe Biden should be brought to justice.
Newsy: What if the system doesn't arrest these people or bring them to justice?
Heimbach: names and addresses. And I won't be – I mean, I'm not a soldier. I will not order anyone to do anything. But I'm not going to judge revolutionaries who, you know, are in their own self-defense.
Newsy: Matt, where do you draw the line? Can you kill the president?
Heimbach: I advocate the fifth.
Newsy: But the fifth plea is if you don't want to incriminate yourself, not just …?
Heimbach: Oh, you got it. You have it. But I don't touch that.
Newsy: But why don't you just say, no, that's not okay?
Heimbach: Well, I'm not a liar.
In the spring of 2020, Heimbach told Hatewatch at the Southern Poverty Law Center that he had turned his back on white nationalism.
"Redefining my community as all members of the working class, rather than just white members of the working class, is fundamentally redefining the political, social and economic solutions to problems we all face," Heimbach told Hatewatch via email.
Heimbach has been linked to the Light Upon Light organization, which provides platforms for former extremists who have ostensibly switched sides. He wrote a public statement for her saying goodbye to the movement he now declared to be too short-sighted – and not to its innate bigotry and violence. Instead, he clearly tended to adopt the kind of rhetoric used by classic "third position" ideologues trying to link fascism to leftist beliefs.
"That is the problem with white nationalists, in my opinion," he wrote. “You see part of the puzzle, the one that belongs to you. But the real extent of the problem affects not just the white working class in America; it affects all working people around the world. "
He also paid lip service to resisting political violence: "I now feel obliged to try to reduce violence in our society as much as possible," he wrote.
However, he was vehemently against efforts to remove fascist voices from social media or encourage law enforcement to take action against their terrorism, saying: "We cannot stop the growth of white nationalist violence through deplating, mass arrests and government overreaction. "
In February of this year, in an interview with WKRC-TV in Cincinnati, he advocated the same “transformation”. He confessed to the reporter that his alcoholism contributed to the downfall of the TWP and that “the movement was not really a psychologically healthy place.
Heimbach claimed that it was now sober and free of racist intentions, "to no longer dwell on black and white, but on the" green "that separates us."
"It's all about the money. The capitalist class who rule this country don't really care," said Heimbach.
He also claimed he “basically” wants to work with Black Lives Matter activists – but admitted “that's a big question” when asked if they would like to work with him.
"Why should anyone believe you?" asked the WKRC reporter.
“I would say that actions speak louder than words,” Heimbach replied.
Heimbach apparently operated on a similar plan when he somehow worked his way into a list of speakers at a Medicare for All event scheduled for July in Muncie, Indiana, in part by signing up as "Matt Bach". The organizers fired him shortly after his inclusion in the Muncie squad was published and issued statements condemning white nationalism and Heimbach's attempt to interfere in left-wing politics, but it was too little too late: the damage to So credible was it that organizers ended up canceling the march, which should have been held in a number of cities across the country.
Regardless of previous honesty claims, Heimbach's story is full of bigoted violence and double deals. In 2017, he was charged with assaulting a black protester at a 2016 Donald Trump rally in which he later pleaded guilty and was placed on parole.
However, he violated this probation period in 2018 when he became involved in a domestic violence situation at the home of his longtime TWP cohort Matt Parrott, whose step-daughter Heimbach was married at the time. Parrot caught Heimbach at a rendezvous with his then wife, and Heimbach is said to have attacked Parrot in the chaos that followed. The interpersonal drama – known among the internet wagons as "Wrong Women's Night" – caused TWP to fall apart.
As Hatewatch noted at the time Heimbach first claimed to have given up his old habits, there was little evidence that his conversion was remotely sincere – especially as other figures represented by Light Upon Light Platforms ( in particular the former leader of the Nazi movement Jeff) he made no effort to repair the damage he had caused during his years of extremist organization, leadership and agitation.
Moreover, Heimbach failed to realize that he was doing harm or even wrongly ideologically – as suggested by his recent turn to national Bolshevism, which is simply a different type of neo-Nazism in the guise of Third Positionism.
What apparently primarily motivated his conversion is Heimbach's continued involvement as one of two dozen defendants in the Integrity First for America civil lawsuit against Unite the Right organizers of victims of violence there. (A judge recently ruled that the October trial will remain in Charlottesville.) Heimbach has consistently refused to cooperate in the trial – suggesting that the "conversion" was initially just a legal smoke screen.
"I don't think they have left the movement, but I think they realize that the movement as it existed is a dead end and that they are trying to create a new kind of movement," Emily Gorcenski, an activist and former Charlottesville resident told Hatewatch.
Even more worrying is what a relaunch of TWP under the guise of Third Positionism might look like in its impact on public discourse and political violence, especially given Heimbach's history of successfully networking with neo-Nazis and other extremists, both in the United States as well as internationally.
"Heidi Beirich, co-founder of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism, told Newsy:" Heidi Beirich lights a match and passes the matchbook on to someone else.
"He's been in this movement for a long time. It could be someone out there taking up this idea. You're going to hear this rhetoric and the scary thing is that someone might respond to it."